no crew limit

[Nyteshade]

We're being limited to 500 clan when buying companions? You can't be serious...

How are we supposed to buy powers with upkeep if we can't buy any more companions to support them? You either need to dump that rule or remove the rule requiring us to add clan to buy companions. Those of us who have been playing since the game launched are royally screwed. At this point we can't even buy one companion and we have no where near 500 of each strongest power. I hope you don't expect us to support our powers with babushkas..

[Lord_Sephiroth]

We're being limited to 500 clan when buying companions? You can't be serious...

How are we supposed to buy powers with upkeep if we can't buy any more companions to support them? You either need to dump that rule or remove the rule requiring us to add clan to buy companions. Those of us who have been playing since the game launched are royally screwed. At this point we can't even buy one companion and we have no where near 500 of each strongest power. I hope you don't expect us to support our powers with babushkas..

you better believe it. so stop complaining. you have to lvl up to see what other companions bloodlines has to offer you. besides, there are more companions than babushkas

[Nyteshade]

you better believe it. so stop complaining. you have to lvl up to see what other companions bloodlines has to offer you. besides, there are more companions than babushkas

Did you even read what I said?

[Lord_Sephiroth]

Did you even read what I said?

yes i did. now STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT! my god. lvl up you moron and see for yourself that babushkas aren't the only companions you can have. in LES they are, but in the game itself they are not.:mad:

[Nyteshade]

I am a level 56. I think I know there are more than babushkas..
THEY PUT A CAP ON ADDING CLAN TO BUY COMPANIONS!

DID you not even see where I said I HAVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE THE GAME LAUNCHED?

[Maltheos]

Yes, we're all aware that there are other companions available.... so far the best, aside from our mummy friend, is the Otaku Vampire... but most of them (aside from ones found by completing certain aspects of the game, and the Babushkas and Goth Bands) have oversight fees which require a certain number of clan members... the more you get the more clan members you have to have total... this was recently capped at 500 + Zombies, whereas before it was unlimited based on your total clan member base.

The problem this causes is that a number of people have already exceeded the number of companions that 500+ Zombies would allow, and upon trying to purchase any new companions with an oversight requirement, they find that they need and additional 400 or so clan members and are told to recruit more friends or get zombies...

Each Zombie of course costs like 10 favor points, and recruiting new clan doesn't help due to the recently imposed cap... therefore they must either get favor points in other ways (in the aforementioned case 4000+ to even begin to be able to start getting more companions other than Babushkas or Goth Bands) or stick with the non-oversight companions... Personally, I'm nowhere near the number of companions where this would become an issue for me, but I can at least understand their frustration with the sudden, and unannounced change in the way things are being handled...

Now, this may be intentional on the part of the game's creators, seeking to get more money via the advertising that they get from the various "Fill this out" items that get you favors, or for the purchasing of favor points directly... or it may be a temporary glitch... as you all may have also recently noticed, they've been working on the code today as well... Hong Kong briefly appearing, not having a viable exit and trapping people there... and changes to some of the travel locations as has occurred in the LES... It's quite possible that this may be unintentional...(I'm basicly giving them the benefit of the doubt till we hear back from them)

If it is an intentional change to the game structure, mid-stream, without any previous notice to the game's extensive playerbase.... then I'm certain they're going to hear a LOT of complaint about it... I myself have already heard broadcasts from people swearing never to return, and quitting all other games produced by the same company due specifically to this change....obviously, the game's creators don't want that.... as one person put it in Broadcast, it's "App Suicide". You cannot have a successful application game without players to participate in it... which in the long run means no revenue from advertisers, purchased favor points, etc.

I'm certain that things will be reviewed, feedback from players will be listened to, and a decision one way or the other will be made, assuming this is an intentional change to the game dynamic... if not, they'll fix it, no harm no foul... I for one hope that they will take into account the general feelings of their players and do what is best in the long run, not just the short term.

[Denier]

Never argue with an idiot. They Will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

[Tomwyr]

it's totally, utterly, horrible. i just came back from getting my preternatural speed demon achievement with a lowby, and what do i see? i can't buy companions anymore.

now, let's see : new rules, 758600$ from 50 otaku vampires plus 26400$ from free companions.... 785000 max, except if one invests massivelyinto zombies.

Currently i have 40 otaku vampires who use already 400 clan to be overseen. But i have more than that : Companions:
Income $2223400, Upkeep: $348457 ) Bloodflow:$1,874,943 every 55 minutes.

So, the game just tells me :

Hmm...
You can only use a maximum of 500 clan members, you may prefer to discharge some of your current companions, or employ Zombies from the Cabal to expand your clan beyond that limit.

You will need 2,297 additional clan members to oversee your existing Companions before you can buy any more American Tourist Bloodslaves. Invite more friends to join your clan!

hmmm.... the clicky at the end, 'invite more friends to join your clan!' , is it sarcasm or was it forgotten?

Frankly, with some of the powers costing what they cost, either to aquire or in upkeep, how is one supposed to get decent equipment with this sort of limited income?

I mean, yeah, Wall Street crashed, but does this mean Bloodlines has to crash also?

[BloodyMary]

Have you tried selling your Amer. Bloodslaves and buying other Companions?

I just sold most of my Amer. BS and bought Egypian Policemen. Amer. BS @ 4 Clan members per=$2,000 income x the number of bloodslaves. Let's say 4...so, 16 clan members 'used' to get $8,000 per hour.

Now the Policemen. 8 Clan members per policeman to get $8,153. So, the same 16 clan members gets you $16,306.

Sell 4 American Bloodslaves and buy 2 Egyptian Policemen to more than double your blood without using more clan members.

This is only 1 example. Do the math and find even better exchanges.

[Tomwyr]

Have you tried selling your Amer. Bloodslaves and buying other Companions?

I just sold most of my Amer. BS and bought Egypian Policemen. Amer. BS @ 4 Clan members per=$2,000 income x the number of bloodslaves. Let's say 4...so, 16 clan members 'used' to get $8,000 per hour.

Now the Policemen. 8 Clan members per policeman to get $8,153. So, the same 16 clan members gets you $16,306.

Sell 4 American Bloodslaves and buy 2 Egyptian Policemen to more than double your blood without using more clan members.

This is only 1 example. Do the math and find even better exchanges.

Uh. you didn't really read my post it seems. if i sold like 70% of my bloodlsaves i could by otaku vampires 40-50, thus more than halving my income.

In the new system you can make a maximum of $785,000 before upkeep + whatever you can oversee with zombies...

I already make $1,874,943 *after* upkeep atm. I thought once i had like a clan of maybe 5000 i'd eventually max this income out to approx $7,500,000 /hr using only otaku vampires.

I can't sell companions now to get better ones because i use already 2,297 clan over the 500 allowed + my 3 zombies...

All i could do is severely cut down my income :(

[Nyteshade]

as one person put it in Broadcast, it's "App Suicide".

That was me. Glad someone was listening in the broadcasts ;)

I hope Bloodlines takes note of everyone abandoning Vampires for this game when Zynga pulled this sort of thing on it's players. Hopefully Bloodlines will learn from Zynga's mistake and listen to the people who play the game and generate their revenue. Otherwise this app will turn into a ghost town.

[BloodyMary]

See, I don't feel sad for anyone doing the pure unadulterated greed thing. 3,000 clan members is about 2,500 more than should be allowed imho anyway. After all, isn't it a bit ridiculous to have so many clan members that you limit who you can attack? When there's no one left to attack because you are clanned up with them all, what's the point of having such a monumental load of powers?

Personally, I'm doing perfectly fine with my 64 clan members and my 66 k income. Can't you get any kills with 500 clannies? Do you really need 3 k? Are you really so impatient that you can't wait to get that 1 wish per level or 1 wish per level of achievement?!

You don't HAVE to have everything now, now, now. Patience is a virtue.

[MaximusFangs]

i cant believe ur complaining about have only 500 members i cant find any one to join my clan just level up that is if ur not scared....

[MaximusFangs]

See, I don't feel sad for anyone doing the pure unadulterated greed thing. 3,000 clan members is about 2,500 more than should be allowed imho anyway. After all, isn't it a bit ridiculous to have so many clan members that you limit who you can attack? When there's no one left to attack because you are clanned up with them all, what's the point of having such a monumental load of powers?

Personally, I'm doing perfectly fine with my 64 clan members and my 66 k income. Can't you get any kills with 500 clannies? Do you really need 3 k? Are you really so impatient that you can't wait to get that 1 wish per level or 1 wish per level of achievement?!

You don't HAVE to have everything now, now, now. Patience is a virtue.





i also agree and i have said it many times myself i happy to see im not the only one who says it but yes patience is a virtue

[Nyteshade]

You two missed the point entirely. they have changed this back now but they did implement a new rule where you could only use 500 clan when overseeing companions. You were limited to only that 500 clan. after you used up your 500 to oversee your companions you had no way to buy more companions to generate income to buy or support upkeep on powers.

[BloodyMary]

I'm not missing the point. Look, if you *need* more than 500 clannies just to be able to play the game, maybe you need to LTP. I have 64 members (that's LESS than 500) and my game is going along just fine. And, no, I'm not a lvl 2. I've been playing for a while.

The fuss over not being able to use more than 500 sounds like whining, not a legit gripe. Legit gripe=you haven't been able to log in for days, your account is broken, etc. Whining=I can't win this open ended game, someone is making more blood than me, why can't I just repeatedly kill EVERYONE in game instead of only some characters? I feel for you if you're just upset at rule changing mid-game, but all games online do that...except crosswords and the like.

You got used to using numbers to try to dominate the game. Let others have a turn sometimes. When you get pissed you can't grind, ask yourself, is it really that serious and was I even having fun?

What they were saying is you couldn't use more than 500 REAL clannies. So, be patient and build up your zombies if you find it that hard to play with 500. Or, there's always learning to play without the overly ginormous amount of powers.

Calm down, breathe, and figure out what you really want from this game. If it's greed and ego, it's not worth playing. If it's fun, play on!!!! Don't let a game turn you into a Troglodyte.

[Silent Interloper]

Wait, I just read that the 500 clan limit was removed. Is this true?

(Now I wish I had waited to buy powers... D'oh!)

[Nyteshade]

I'm not missing the point. Look, if you *need* more than 500 clannies just to be able to play the game, maybe you need to LTP. I have 64 members (that's LESS than 500) and my game is going along just fine. And, no, I'm not a lvl 2. I've been playing for a while.

you obviously haven't advanced very far if your game is chugging along just fine with 64 clan. Before long you'll be having your ass handed to you every fight and be begging for clan in the broadcasts. You can quote me on that. whats the point in even playing if you're going to lose every fight? Making someone else rich and padding their stats?

The fuss over not being able to use more than 500 sounds like whining, not a legit gripe. Legit gripe=you haven't been able to log in for days, your account is broken, etc. Whining=I can't win this open ended game, someone is making more blood than me, why can't I just repeatedly kill EVERYONE in game instead of only some characters? I feel for you if you're just upset at rule changing mid-game, but all games online do that...except crosswords and the like.

So you're calling all the game players who complained about being in limbo and not able to advance their character in the game whiners? LOL I guess it was a "legit gripe" since the game developer listened to us and changed it back. you can keep talking to hear yourself talk but you still have no clue what we're talking about. You either refuse to grasp the concept that WE COULD NOT ADVANCE or you just want something to argue about with anyone because you're a misanthrope. (Look! I can use big words too!)

You got used to using numbers to try to dominate the game. Let others have a turn sometimes.

We're not playing kickball or duck duck goose. We're trying to advance our characters and play the game. We can't play the game if our tools are taken away. It would be like your mommy taking all your lite-brite pegs, handing you 1 and telling to you make a castle.



What they were saying is you couldn't use more than 500 REAL clannies. So, be patient and build up your zombies if you find it that hard to play with 500. Or, there's always learning to play without the overly ginormous amount of powers.

zombies were not being counted. It was 500. Period. you can't play the game past a certain point without "ginormous" powers.

Calm down, breathe, and figure out what you really want from this game. If it's greed and ego, it's not worth playing. If it's fun, play on!!!! Don't let a game turn you into a Troglodyte.

Thank you, Professor Flowers and Rainbows. I had forgotten how to breathe and why I was playing a fantasy game until you told me that. Maybe I'll just take some valium, dump all my clan and smile while I hum a happy tune. I really thought trying to win was the way to go but you have opened my eyes.

[freelancer]

I have only 18 members
[started a little over week ago, so...]
and right now I'm alright. I don't have a personal problem with the rule, so I don't have a bias on it. I still think the rule was stupid, mostly because this would be the only app to have it. Much like how Bloodlines and Mobsters Overdrive both need the overseers.
A useful change, however, would be to increase the income per companion/decrease the upkeep. I find out I need new stuff each level, and I have to wait for my money to get high enough to do the mission. Oh, and possibly removing the oversight would be sweet.

[BloodyMary]

Nyteshade,

I'm at Level 102, thanks. At that level, everyone is too busy running around and fighting wars to worry about someone who is not trying to START any wars. Who knew that people attack the greedy players and the spiteful players and leave those who are playing for fun alone? I don't need a ginourmous army to fight the guy with 3,000 clannies if I don't screw with the guy who has 3,000 clannies in game. Whose stat.s and bank am I padding? No one's. You won't find me begging for clan member in b/cs.

Just like the devs for SWG realized that 'we want more pretty things' was whining and 'why did you screw up the advancement process' was a legit gripe when the gave people more pretty things and left the advancement process broken. After all, more people were concerned with the Jedi fashion show than fighting Darth Vader's people. So the app. switched back to allowing more than 500 clannies for oversight of companions...so what? You have proven nothing. It's still whining.

So how about throwing away the light brite peg and studying architecture? That'll probably get you a whole lot further than sitting in a corner with a peg and a box of Kleenex.

Yet, I CAN play without ginormous powers and people WERE buying up zombies that counted PAST the 500 cap.

When people get all huffy over a GAME because it is meant to be open ended (no level cap, no final goal set by the creator of the app.) and they can't 'win', it's pathetic. If that's you, go for an 2-player FPS game or a single-player game. That's why there are different types of games on the market. Wanting to win an open-ended game is like laying on your death bed and asking the doctor, 'Did I win?'. Only a fool would think it's possible to win an open-ended game. It's not about flowers and rainbows. If that's what I wanted, I'd be playing Hello Kitty Island Adventures like Butters in South Park. It's about not giving yourself a heart attack because you picked up a game and still haven't figured out it was the wrong game for you. Is any game EVER worth getting pissed off and giving yourself high blood pressure?

If you don't like the game, MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT ONE. There are enough out there that I'm sure you'll find something that suits your tastes.

This is not a lack of understanding on my part. This is a lack of looking for what you want on your part. You can't blame me for your own issues. You can move on to a game with a defined goal, though. Or you can learn to play with the same resources as everyone else. Either way, your tears are no longer necessary. I'm not asking you to like what I tell you, just for you to think about what it is you want and go find it so you can stop being so angry over such an unimportant thing. If the rule was app. suicide, then let it fall. If there were players who are more interested in the storyline (why I came here from Heroes), let them keep the app. going without you.

[BloodyMary]

I don't have a personal problem with the rule, so I don't have a bias on it. I still think the rule was stupid, mostly because this would be the only app to have it.
A useful change, however, would be to increase the income per companion/decrease the upkeep. I find out I need new stuff each level, and I have to wait for my money to get high enough to do the mission. Oh, and possibly removing the oversight would be sweet.

Ah, now that's better. You have a suggestion on how to improve the game, without screwing over new players AND you understand that the problem isn't just the game, but not having the patience that the game requires. Now that's a post written by someone with a level headed way of thinking. Thank you.

This is not a rabble demanding things get changed to what they want, it's a suggestion.

[tammy7689]

take the clan limit off the compainions...its annoying to have to wait to buy more compainions until u have enough members

[Senna]

You can always buy more Babushka and Goth Band members, as they do not have clan limits. There is also a Companion you can get with Cabal favor points that has 0 limit as well. =)

[espinadoboko]

anyway i completely see your point. the best example i can think of so people might understand a little bit better what you are trying to communicate is this. because you can only use up to 500 clan members to oversee companions the BEST income you can have (not including babushkas nor goth metal bands) is by having all the mission companions which combined give you 26,400 blood per upkeep, having 40 mallrat bloodslaves which gives you 1,225,800 blood per upkeep and 10 drunken scot slaves for 7500 blood per upkeep.

all these companions need exactly 40*12+10*2=500 clan members to oversee and give 1,259,700 bpu (blood per upkeep).

now this seems like a lot of blood but lets put something else on the table. if you are level 66 (which is what you need to get the mallrat bloodslaves) then that means you can also get the sense virtue power which is the best sensory power that has known values now. i dont know how much or what resist holy symbol does or enslave. so if a person wants the BEST powers which is what the author of this thread wants accomplished he would need 66*5=330 sense virtue powers to accompany his 330 clan members in a fight. now mind you this is JUST for sensory powers. nevermind he has to worry about physical and mystical powers to buy.

330 sense virtues costs 990,000 bpu. now you are only making 269,700 every upkeep. for physical powers dont even try to outfit all 330 clan members with resist daylight. you need to wait till level 75 to get 375 clan members inhuman strength for 37,500 bpu. telekinesis is also out of the picture. cant afford it.

if you look at mystical the best choice is shared vitality and collective spirit. but on average 300 of those is gonna be like 300 upkeep. (my ratio of getting shared vitality to collective is roughly 3:1 this might be different for other people) so 375 of those costs 112500. so now you make about less then 119,700 bpu. i forget to factor in the 45 more sense virtues you need for level 75. thats another 225,000 bpu. and now you are in the negatives. lol

the point is that from level 66 to 75 you cannot outfit all your fighting clan members with powers. actually from level 75 to beyond you cannot outfit your clan with the best powers. high level play is impossible in this game. unless you are willing to pour money into buying babushkas and goth metal bands for the difference. but by the time you have to pay millions just to make 50 more blood per upkeep i think the difference they can make is minimal. its just an asymtote getting closer and closer to no where

and bloody mary he is not whining about a small thing. he is trying to show that high level competitive play is really bad in this game. you cant get the best stuff for your clannies to fight with. thats a problem i think. to not be able to get the best stuff in a game...

[Nigel Ray]

Buffy has written G A I L about this limit. It has been removed from MySpace and they're working on removing it from Facebook.

[espinadoboko]

Also,

Espinadoboko:

There was no need for you to appoligize to someone because other people didn't agree with them, and told them that they felt that he/she wasn't reading what they said properly.

im apologizing on behalf of the humanity that cant read. its not fair for someone to get flamed because the flamers cant read properly. i was just defending someone.

ive said this before buffy. i dont care if people agree or disagree. i dont like people flaming others because of their own failure to read the thread properly.

[espinadoboko]

alright so back on topic. can anyone tell me how high end competitive battle is possible in this game given that you cannot have the max number of best powers past level 66?

[espinadoboko]

i wonder why they fix the problems on myspace before facebook. arent there almost as many FB players as MS now?

[espinadoboko]

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