Powers used in a fight!!

[tbyrdfrank@yahoo.com]

I just started playing the game and have purchased several powers, but all of them are not showing up when I'm fighting. Why???:confused:

[quick90cam]

It may have to do with your guild size or the fact that some powers offer only defensive points or what level you are on (the number of clan you can use in a fight is relative to your level you can only use 5x your level. thus level 20= 100 clan level 100= 500 clan).

hope this helps!

[KiliianSleipnir]

It may have to do with your guild size or the fact that some powers offer only defensive points or what level you are on (the number of clan you can use in a fight is relative to your level you can only use 5x your level. thus level 20= 100 clan level 100= 500 clan).

hope this helps!

not sure where you got this quickcam, but you use every person on every level. i'm level 57 and using your formula i would only use 285 people and would not be able to beat a level 69 with 345 fighters like i just did less than 10 minutes ago:

Your Clan attacked with: 147 Rat Swarm, 91 Flight, 17 Resist Daylight, 60 Preternatural Strength, 47 Spider Form, 69 Sense Zombie, 22 Control Mind, 25 Cause Agony, 90 Beast Form, 60 Cause Dissension, 10 Sense Life, 10 Strength of Will, 15 Cloud Minds, 108 Manic Strength, 15 Assuage Pain, 30 Sense Werewolf, 20 Cause Terror, 19 Sense Vampire


Vagab0nd's Clan had: 1 Bat Swarm, 1 Resist Daylight, 5 Rat Swarm, 1 Sense Zombie, 1 Gaseous Form, 150 Control Mind, 1 Nukekubi Head-Detachment, 337 Flight, 194 Assuage Pain, 344 Beast Form

You won! You damaged your rival by 31 Health and lost 16 Health in the process. In addition, you also gained 0 Blood from your target and gained 46 experience points.


so your premise is totally incorrect and impossible mathmatically in any standard app. to use the full 500 clan members allowed in Bloodlines you'd have to be level 100. and i myself have seen less than five people over level 70 let alone 100.

[JUSTICE]

not sure where you got this quickcam, but you use every person on every level. i'm level 57 and using your formula i would only use 285 people and would not be able to beat a level 69 with 345 fighters like i just did less than 10 minutes ago:

Your Clan attacked with: 147 Rat Swarm, 91 Flight, 17 Resist Daylight, 60 Preternatural Strength, 47 Spider Form, 69 Sense Zombie, 22 Control Mind, 25 Cause Agony, 90 Beast Form, 60 Cause Dissension, 10 Sense Life, 10 Strength of Will, 15 Cloud Minds, 108 Manic Strength, 15 Assuage Pain, 30 Sense Werewolf, 20 Cause Terror, 19 Sense Vampire


Vagab0nd's Clan had: 1 Bat Swarm, 1 Resist Daylight, 5 Rat Swarm, 1 Sense Zombie, 1 Gaseous Form, 150 Control Mind, 1 Nukekubi Head-Detachment, 337 Flight, 194 Assuage Pain, 344 Beast Form

You won! You damaged your rival by 31 Health and lost 16 Health in the process. In addition, you also gained 0 Blood from your target and gained 46 experience points.


so your premise is totally incorrect and impossible mathmatically in any standard app. to use the full 500 clan members allowed in Bloodlines you'd have to be level 100. and i myself have seen less than five people over level 70 let alone 100.

Fight
You can fight with any players at or above your level. Fight results are calculated based on how many people are in your clan and what powers they have. You should try to have powers for each member of your clan to fight with, or else some will fight with no powers. Each member of your clan may use 1 physical, 1 sensory and 1 mystical power in every fight. The number of clan members that can participate in a fight is limited to 5 times your current level.


this is # 5 from the help section

i am guessing that you won because you clan was better equipped

[Maku]

KiliianSleipnir, justice is correct, you use 5 clan members per lvl.
so if your lvl 20, you can use 100 clan members. which means that you can use 100 powers of each category. so you beating a higher lvl, with more clan, just means he dont have enough good powers to support his clan.
and atk. and def. has alot to do with fighting as well.

[Nightbreed]

where can i get/Own 25 Nukekubi Head-Detachment items or powerd ? whatlevel or area ??

[Silent Interloper]

where can i get/Own 25 Nukekubi Head-Detachment items or powerd ? whatlevel or area ??

Once you reach level 58 and complete certain quests in Japan it is available.

[quick90cam]

not sure where you got this quickcam, but you use every person on every level. i'm level 57 and using your formula i would only use 285 people and would not be able to beat a level 69 with 345 fighters like i just did less than 10 minutes ago:

Your Clan attacked with: 147 Rat Swarm, 91 Flight, 17 Resist Daylight, 60 Preternatural Strength, 47 Spider Form, 69 Sense Zombie, 22 Control Mind, 25 Cause Agony, 90 Beast Form, 60 Cause Dissension, 10 Sense Life, 10 Strength of Will, 15 Cloud Minds, 108 Manic Strength, 15 Assuage Pain, 30 Sense Werewolf, 20 Cause Terror, 19 Sense Vampire


Vagab0nd's Clan had: 1 Bat Swarm, 1 Resist Daylight, 5 Rat Swarm, 1 Sense Zombie, 1 Gaseous Form, 150 Control Mind, 1 Nukekubi Head-Detachment, 337 Flight, 194 Assuage Pain, 344 Beast Form

You won! You damaged your rival by 31 Health and lost 16 Health in the process. In addition, you also gained 0 Blood from your target and gained 46 experience points.


so your premise is totally incorrect and impossible mathmatically in any standard app. to use the full 500 clan members allowed in Bloodlines you'd have to be level 100. and i myself have seen less than five people over level 70 let alone 100.

Got it from the RULES. Give them a good read.

[Fluffymoo]

Hello :)
So, i understand the mechanics which includes my Powers and Clan mates in my fights.
My question is regarding "My Vamp" Attributes (Attack/Defense Strength). Those two add only once(to myself only), or do they affect whole bunch of my fighting clan mates?

[Fluffymoo]

Yes it does, thank you

[espinadoboko]

ok i get the battle system but can someone please explain this

Your Clan attacked with: 1 Demon Swarm, 2 Instill Despair, 3 Sense Death, 1 Control Mind, 25 Bat Form, 10 Cause Agony, 70 Beast Form, 5 Cause Dissension, 5 Sense Life, 10 Strength of Will, 50 Cloak of Darkness, 10 Cloud Minds, 30 Manic Strength, 10 Assuage Pain, 50 Sense Werewolf, 10 Cause Terror, 20 Claws, 10 Uncanny Hearing, 30 Rat Form, 15 Charisma, 2 Fangs


Lustfully Yours's Clan had: 1 Control Mind, 2 Sense Life, 1 Uncanny Hearing, 2 Preternatural Strength, 10 Bat Form, 3 Sense Werewolf, 1 Strength of Will, 6 Cause Terror

You were humiliated, losing 32 Health; however, you also dealt 27 Health points in damage to your rival.

the REALLY funny part is i attacked the person 2 times before and i won. how do i lose when the guy doesnt even have 1K in defense. something is wrong here

and then i attacked him 4 times afterwards and won. is there some luck factor that was just WAY in his favor for that one victory? there has to be.

Your Clan attacked with: 1 Demon Swarm, 2 Instill Despair, 3 Sense Death, 1 Control Mind, 25 Bat Form, 10 Cause Agony, 70 Beast Form, 5 Cause Dissension, 5 Sense Life, 10 Strength of Will, 50 Cloak of Darkness, 10 Cloud Minds, 30 Manic Strength, 10 Assuage Pain, 50 Sense Werewolf, 10 Cause Terror, 20 Claws, 10 Uncanny Hearing, 30 Rat Form, 15 Charisma, 2 Fangs


Lustfully Yours's Clan had: 1 Control Mind, 2 Sense Life, 1 Uncanny Hearing, 2 Preternatural Strength, 10 Bat Form, 3 Sense Werewolf, 1 Strength of Will, 6 Cause Terror

You won! You damaged your rival by 30 Health and lost 29 Health in the process. In addition, you also gained 1,994 Blood from your target and gained 59 experience points.

[espinadoboko]

when i went to fight them they had 92 clan members. i have 270+. im not really asking why i lost so much as im asking why i lost that ONE time in between attacks.

[Vam Pire]

I assume that defence is worked out the exact same way as attack.

Would this be the correct battle formula (I am also assuming that who initiates the fight has no bearing on the outcome, other than the use of powers) :-
my attack - their defence = my score (with the attacker using highest attack powers)
their attack - my defence = their score (and defender using highest defence powers)
winner is the higher of the two

Is the damage done to each combatant simply whatever those scores were and if it was a negative score then no damage done back?

Though it is extremely unlikely what if its a tie. Or if both scores are negative, does some one win but no one does any damage?

How are experience points allocated?

Sorry, but I like knowing the ins and outs of things.

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.

[Nigel Ray]

What do you mean, how are experience points allocated? They have no bearing on your combat, except insofar as they allow you to level up and spend skill points on your Attack and Defense stats (as well as increasing the maximum clan members you can use in combat). They have no direct effect on combat.

[mockingbird23]

I think what he means is, what causes one to gain any particular # of exp pts from a fight? Is it random or does it have to do with your/your opponent's scores?

[Nigel Ray]

Ah, that.

From the wiki:

Winning a fight while attacking gives you 3 experience per health that you lose in the fight, as well as a % of the target's unbanked blood, up to 500 blood per level of the target. This cap goes away at level 20.

Winning a fight while defending gives you 1 experience per health that you lose in the fight.

http://www.breakentropy.com/index.php/Fights

[T'Kosh]

OK, so if this is the 'equation', how is damage figured after the combat values for the two sides are compared?




say you have 200 people in your clan.

You're a level 20.

At level 20, you've earned 57 skill points.

Let's say you've placed them the following way:

Attack: 30 - Using 29 Skill points
Defense: 10 - Using 10 Skill Points
Health: 180 - Using 8 skill points
Energy: 200 - Using 10 skill points
Chi: 3 - Using 0 skill points.

If you attack someone, at level 20, you can fight with up to 100 people. So, it would be the following:

(number of usable clan members * (times) Skill points in area) + (Plus) attack points in all of your powers.

So it would be:

(100 * 30) + Attack Points

So, before the attack points in your powers would be added in, you'd already be fighting with the force of 3000.

Does that make sense?

[Nigel Ray]

Hmm.

The Wiki shows a completely different method of determining the winner of the fight.

Now I'm really confused.

[Nigel Ray]

Ah, duly noted. I mistakenly thought that someone wouldn't bother to write up something that complex unless they "knew" it was correct.

[Toranaga]

Does anybody know the calculus behind the XP award? I think I've figured out that the more you beat the guy by the less XP you get, but does anyone know the actual numbers?

[Toranaga]

That's genius in its evil simplicity. Do I attack people who might beat me for the XP? Or do I live a risk-free, low-XP existence as a sham creature of the night...? <sigh> I'll have to think on it.

[Nigel Ray]

Attack. Attack attack attack. Just keep the targets reasonable. ;)

This should probably be stickied - I'm sure many people are curious about how it works.

[Hainsay]

my attack - their defence = my score (with the attacker using highest attack powers)
their attack - my defence = their score (and defender using highest defence powers)
winner is the higher of the two


That's not right.

Suppose it's

your attack - their defence > their attack - your defense.

This is algebraically equivalent to

your attack + your defense > their attack + their defense.

If this were how it were calculated, what is the point of having the two stats?

No, only your attack applies when you attack someone else, and only your defense applies when someone else attacks you.

As to the random loss, I've noticed that too and I have no idea why it does that. Most of the time if I attack someone more than once, I do exactly the same amount of damage each time, so I think it actually randomises your attack if anything, not the damage done.

[corko]

now how does the game choose which and how many of your powers that it uses in an attack.

[rumyluvgrl]

Can you PLEASE take the time (or can anyone take the time) to explain this to an idiot:

Your Clan attacked with: 7 Preternatural Strengths, 25 Control Minds, 20 Bat Forms, 10 Cause Agonies, 8 Beast Forms, 3 Cause Dissensions, 2 Sense Lives, 10 Strengths of Will, 4 Cloaks of Darkness, 4 Cloud Minds, 8 Manic Strengths, 6 Assuage Pains, 6 Sense Werewolves, 6 Cause Terrors, 10 Claws, 8 Uncanny Hearings, 4 Rat Forms, 6 Sense Vampires, 3 Charismas, 20 Fangs


Twisted Viper's Clan had: 1 Instill Despair, 1 Demon Swarm, 1 Control Mind, 2 Destroy Minds, 1 Sense Life, 1 Uncanny Hearing, 1 Cause Dissension, 3 Assuage Pains, 3 Silent Movements, 3 Preternatural Strengths, 3 Bat Forms, 9 Sense Werewolves, 3 Strengths of Will, 8 Manic Strengths, 7 Cloaks of Darkness, 5 Rat Forms

I've read the second post on this thread from Buffy and I still don't get it.
Please explain on a kindergarden's level how the point system is used when you attack. I'm sure someone that age can figure this out, which is why I'm an idiot.
OR
can you direct me to a post that already explains in detail how this works. Again, I read Buffy's post (second on this thread) and I don't get it.
Thank you MUCH

[Nigel Ray]

Corko, it chooses the powers which have the highest ATK value, and it uses one of each type (Physical, Sensory, and Mystical) for each clan member you can use - which is, 5 clan members per your level.

Rumy, unfortunately that's not enough information to work out *all* the math involved in that attack - your ATK and the target's DEF are needed.

[Thymes]

Im sorry if this was mentioned before but I don't see it anywhere. Since the changes today we can now see how many powers are being used in a fight.

I have over 500 powers purchased and over 500 in my clan. Why does it keep showing that only 340 of each power is being used in a fight?

[Jagerdam]

Here's another question....how on earth did I lose this fight?:

Your Clan had: 186 physical powers, 186 sensory powers and 186 mystical powers
Your Clan attacked with: 3 Evil Eyes, 3 Damnations, 2 Demon Swarms, 10 Collective Spirits, 2 Moonlight Travels, 22 Shared Vitalities, 50 Rat Swarms, 1 Summon Iron Golem, 26 Flights, 4 Resist Daylights, 91 Preternatural Strengths, 30 Spider Forms, 1 Bone Armor, 1 Rock Form, 10 Sense Zombies, 42 Control Minds, 45 Bat Forms, 112 Cause Agonies, 86 Beast Forms, 12 Cause Dissensions, 8 Sense Lives

XXX's Clan had: 1 physical power, 1 sensory power and 3 mystical powers
Details: xxx's Clan had: 1 Instill Despair, 1 Demon Swarm, 1 Nukekubi Head-Detachment, 1 Blood Surge, 1 Poison Explosion

You were humiliated, losing 28 Health; however, you also dealt 19 Health points in damage to your rival.

[Nigel Ray]

Well, there *is* a certain random element involved, I believe... but that does seem a little ridiculous.

[Jagerdam]

That was no random thing, either....I fought him again later on, just to see if it was a weird glitch...and sure enough, I lost....same stats for both of us...

Maybe he had a whole ton of powers earlier and dumped them when he accumulated enough XP to not need them any more, but dang! I don't care how experienced ya are....there's no WAY he shoulda beat me with such limited powers.....:confused:

[gizelda196]

i just had a similar experience with a level 2 vamp with no stats and only a rat skill? sent vamp info to suport ppl.

[Jagerdam]

That coulda been a baby vamp....I don't want to switch accounts right now, so maybe Buffy can answer this ? for you....does the primary vamp's XP transfer to the baby vamp too?

[Thymes]

are you a level 68?


Yes.. so your level dictates how many powers you can use at any given time?

[The eye in the sky]

That was no random thing, either....I fought him again later on, just to see if it was a weird glitch...and sure enough, I lost....same stats for both of us...

Maybe he had a whole ton of powers earlier and dumped them when he accumulated enough XP to not need them any more, but dang! I don't care how experienced ya are....there's no WAY he shoulda beat me with such limited powers.....:confused:


Basically, he's poured all of his skill points into defense.

If you haven't poured a lot of skill points into attack, you're not going to beat him, unless you happen to get a boatload of high level powers.

Powers are nice to have, but as you get to the higher levels, the skill points are what really determines what you can do. This is why on other similar games, such as Mobsters Overdrive, someone who has dumped all of his points into defense, can win using his 1972 Ford Pinto to defend himself against another person's fleet of more expensive vehicles.

Same holds true for Mobsters. At the higher levels, you'll notice that people don't bother buying Sarin Gas cannisters, since miniguns give almost as much defense, and at that point, your defense and offense numbers matter more.

[Jagerdam]

Awesome explanation...I had ramped up my offensive powers and tried to balance that by dumping skill into defense...guess I need to even the skill out on the offense side now....thanks again!

[The eye in the sky]

Awesome explanation...I had ramped up my offensive powers and tried to balance that by dumping skill into defense...guess I need to even the skill out on the offense side now....thanks again!

Gladly!

Still, in the end, it's better to be closer to a pure attacker, or a pure defender, since you can rack up impressive win counts either way.

Those who dump most of their points into attack and health are going to win when they attack others, but will probably lose when they get attacked, which is why most of these folks tend to keep attacking until they have to go regenerate health. The disadvantage, is that others will consider you a cowardly "hit and run" kind of character, but the big advantage is that you'll rack up a good bit of blood in the process. That, plus you pretty much have control over how fast you want to level up.

Those who dump their points into defense and health are simply going to sit back and let others attack them. Otherwise, if they try to attack, they'll probably lose, assuming most other things being reasonably equal. The advantage to this, is that you don't have to worry about constantly regenerating health like the attacker does. The disadvantage is that you won't be getting nearly as much money. At the higher levels, you already have plenty of companions, so this isn't too much of a worry.

If you're taking the balanced approach, and spread things evenly between attack and defense, you can still get a nice win count, but you'd better keep a close eye on your equipment (powers), along with reading the Fights Won to Fights Lost ratio carefully, for your targets.

[Jagerdam]

Yes, well....I have a raggedy little clan of 190 and I'm a lvl 58....I have quite a few powers for my clan size, so my win:loss ratio is above par...my loss count fluctuates, but I also tend to win more of those than I lose...

but I'll say this...with all the 1,000 plus clans lurking at my lvl, it's all I can do to get powered up enough to attack another player before I find myself getting slapped around like a ball of string in the middle of a group of cats. =)

[Kasmodan]

You need to remember that you can have 5x your lv in clan mates attacking or defending so if you are lv 58 that = 290 total people. and each person will attack with your highest attack skills first one from each category type.

also your Vamp stats on Attack and Defend are times the number of clan mates you can attack with. so if your lv 58 and say you have 25 atk, and 30 def. then its 25x290(clamates that can attack)+yours highest powers for each attacker = total attack. same goes for defense. as you can see adding 2 or 3 to deff or attack could add 200-600ish attack or defense when you lv.


hopefully that helps you guys out. if you dont have enough clan mates times your lv then you need to invite people because you are under powered.

[Jagerdam]

Everything here is really helpful...I've added 40 clan today alone....I'm making a big dent toward keeping up with my lvl vs. max powers!....by the end of the week, I should be in great shape! And knowing how to use skills (what they are intended to be used for)...will be a great help too!

[feeblefo]

kk i get all the mechanics involved now in bloodlines fights...but (lol)
one thing does what "u attack with" add to ure attacking force...or everything tthat u have bought is ure attack/defence power? or (lol) some kind of combination between the two

probly looking into this to far but ited be appreciated to know

scene as though i bought like 1200 fangs cause it seemed to be more attack for cheaper...get what im tryin to say here?

thx feeblefo

[Thymes]

This is all great and informative.. but what about my original question... IS it based on your level?

[Joffrey]

I really don't understand how it works. :confused:

How is it possible, that I loss this last fight?

You were humiliated, losing 49 Health; however, you also dealt 40 Health points in damage to your rival.

I attacked with:
(205) - 1 Evil Eye, 204 Preternatural Strengths.
(205) - 205 Cause Dissensions.
(205) - 25 Spider Forms, 153 Flights, 27 Bat Forms.

My enemy has:
(165) - 1 Uncanny Hearing, 157 Silent Movements, 7 Strengths of Will.
(165) - 1 Control Mind, 1 Sense Life, 1 Cause Dissension, 16 Assuage Pains, 146 Sense Werewolves.
(160) - 12 Bat Forms, 7 Cloaks of Darkness, 141 Rat Forms.

[yebelrell]

This is all great and informative.. but what about my original question... IS it based on your level?

OK here's the formulas

Usable Clan Members (UCM)= 5 X (Your Level) {This is the max number, if your clan is smaller than max, that is the number you use}

Each UCM can use 1 sensory, 1 mystical, and 1 physical power

ATT/DEF POWER= [(ATT/DEF attribute) X (UCM)] + Sum of ATT/DEF equiped by each UCM (CPU calculates to use max value)

If Buffy's Guess is right, and you are a level 68, your max UCM is 68 X 5 (340), this is the max of each skill family you will carry into battle, regardless of how many you own. The 160 left over will be used as you advance in level, but if they are high upkeep skills, you may want to consider selling some off, but it never hurts to have skills ready to cover upcoming levels.

[yebelrell]

My best guess would be his high number of defensive leaning powers coupled with a high defense attribute pretty much cancelled out your attack.

And feeblefo-- 1200 fangs:eek: dude at level 100 you can only use a max of 500.... sell a TON of those off. Remember the max of any branch of powers you can use is 5 times your level. Do a search on the formula for attacking and defending and you may discover the error you've made. Hate to see people waste precious blood like that.:(

[alaryan]

I was wondering the same thing, and never really knew skill points mattered that much.

Also, I have another relevant question...why, if I have 300 of one power, are none of them used in battle? This is so irritating, when someone who has 200 of the same power beats me because of it.

[feeblefo]

haha lol yea well that sux 4 me but yea thx for good answer

i thought that was only clan members but yea my bad

[DeathReaper]

offensive type vamps (pure attack) always win (base on my exp) against defensive type (pure def) Even if the offensive type has no powers equipped. To make it short... its all about SKILL POINTS. Forget about maxing out your energy (which is a big waste in my opinioin hehehe ofc aside from doing missions)

[redsfan]

That was no random thing, either....I fought him again later on, just to see if it was a weird glitch...and sure enough, I lost....same stats for both of us...
Maybe he had a whole ton of powers earlier and dumped them when he accumulated enough XP to not need them any more, but dang! I don't care how experienced ya are....there's no WAY he shoulda beat me with such limited powers.....:confused:

I worked this all out after losing to someone like you did when I thought I was way stronger.
Because of his allocation of Defense skill points. It looks like you were around level 40-ish. So that means he could potentially have 24000 defense points, so unless you have all your skill points in offense, you're screwed.
For example-
I am lvl 50 (250 usable clan) and have powers that add up to 6363. Ive only got 1 attack skill point(the rest is in defence, chi, health and energy).
I attack another lvl 50, who has powers worth only 5166. You'de think I was all over him like a cat with a mouse. But if he allocated say half of his skill points to defense, thats 75 skill, and is 18750 points. So Im actually attacking 5166 powers and 18750 defense points. I lost even though I have way better powers than him :mad:

[Welsh Dragon]

The strategy is that you're supposed to have 2 sets of powers to fight with.

1 set with the best attack values, 1 set with the best defense values.

So... since I have 500 each of the top 'attack' powers in each group... I'd be 'better off' if I have 500 of each top 'attack' *and* 'defence'... i.e. 1000 powers in each group??

If nothing else that would get rid of some of the blood lying around! :D

[redsfan]

The way the calculations are done is flawed in favour of the person being attacked. So even though what Ange says is true, you can and will still lose to people that dont have the required clan numbers and have semi-weak powers.

[PUNISHER7]

i understand the that any1 can use 5x the amount of powers of ur level if u have the clan for it. lets say im a level 31 and have
160 uncanny hearing for physical, 160 sence lifes for sendory and 160 bat forms. as as u know if some1 attacks me it would show me using those to battle as u know those are the good defence powers. but what if i buy 160 premature strenghs for physical powers, 160 cause agonies for sensory and 160 batforms. and those are the high attack powers so if i attack would it show those powers and if they attack me would it show the others powers right. basically my quesion would be would i be strong both ways when some1 attacks me or i attack them cause i will have both of what i talked about

[redsfan]

Thats correct. The highest set of powers for both defence and offence. Like below, when I attack I use 315 Preternatural Strengths, but if Im attacked I use 315 Uncanny Hearings.
The sad part about me losing below, even though my powers are far superior. This guy was the same level as me but only had 250 clan, you need 315 for level 63, thats 65 extra clan and I still lost :/

Your Clan attacked with: 3 Collective Spirits, 2 Shared Vitalities, 310 Rat Swarms, 315 Preternatural Strengths, 315 Control Minds

***** Clan had: 1 Resist Poison, 19 Collective Spirits, 26 Shared Vitalities, 2 Sense Zombies, 21 Control Minds, 1 Nukekubi Head-Detachment, 101 Spider Forms, 3 Sense Lives, 102 Uncanny Hearings, 2 Cause Dissensions, 3 Assuage Pains, 63 Silent Movements, 5 Preternatural Strengths, 15 Bat Forms, 130 Sense Werewolves, 19 Cause Agonies, 10 Strengths of Will, 10 Cloud Minds, 20 Cause Terrors, 25 Manic Strengths, 2 Moonlight Healings, 25 Cloaks of Darkness, 2 Beast Forms, 85 Rat Forms, 17 Sense Vampires, 2 Claws, 25 Charismas, 1 Sense Evil

You were humiliated, losing 25 Health; however, you also dealt 19 Health points in damage to your rival.

[k4t]

so once u unlock new powers with higher attack/defense values, is there any point collecting the lesser powers?

[count badSidd]

Hi, Can some one explain this:
Every member of your clan that fights for you in battle can use one physical/sensory/mystical power. "You should have enough physical/sensory/mystical powers in your arsenal for all of these players."

Do this underlined sentence mean that my clan member must have at least 2X power of same kind to make me use that power in a fight? Though I understand that power selection is done by the application using its own algorithm.

[k4t]

if my clan is small (im lvl 17 n 4 clan members) does that mean im always gonna have a disadvantage? how do i work out what powers i should be trying to have per level? confused!!

[The Beast]

if my clan is small (im lvl 17 n 4 clan members) does that mean im always gonna have a disadvantage? how do i work out what powers i should be trying to have per level? confused!!

with only 4 clan at level 17, it doesnt really matter what powers u have, ull lose basically every battle unless u find someone with less clan. U should try to get 5 members in ur clan per level others u will always be at a disadvantage in terms of fighting and income.

[k4t]

my stats are fights won 349, fights lost 33. i can generally beat people with a clan of up to around 15.so not doing too badly in sense of losing for some reason.

generally uses 4 bat, 4 beast, 4 cause agony. does it just add up the highest attack from each type of power when i attack? and the highest defense from each type when im attacked by another?

also, will i only be able to use 4 of anything as i have 4 clan? so theres no point owning more than 4 of any power until i get more clan?

thanku!!!

also, how does your clan affect your income?thought it was companions that gave you income?

[k4t]

done/doing all that. the powers thing gets more confusing the more i read!lol. think im getting the hang of it now. thankyou!

[redsfan]

with only 4 clan at level 17, it doesnt really matter what powers u have, ull lose basically every battle unless u find someone with less clan. U should try to get 5 members in ur clan per level others u will always be at a disadvantage in terms of fighting and income.


Actually that is not true to an extent. What really matters is how you allocate your experience points. Often Ive attacked someone with less clan than they require, and I have a full set of clan and powers (the best you can get) and still I lost. Frustrating.